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Page History: The Delta Vintage Project - Part One: Serial Numbers

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Page Revision: 2008/04/01 22:33


by Keith Bohn

e-mail: UnisawA100@wi.rr.com

If you are of the type who easily follows shamans or gets fooled into get rich schemes you are the one I'm looking for. It's hoped, by me, that by the end of this introductory article you to will be hunting down the true meaning of Delta and becoming obsessed with *Born On Dates* and *vintaging* Delta on the fly. If you are the strong type, not easily duped, please move along.

This write up will act as the jumping off point for anyone wanting to vintage an old Delta machine or for someone wanting to submit content on a machine of a certain vintage. It contains the most rudimentary data required to start one's career dating Delta. Please read it carefully as there are subtle nuances and while trying to vintage an old machine isn't rocket science it does require a certain bit of savvy. At the very least you will be able to establish date ranges based on what you read here.

The easiest way to vintage a Delta machine is of course with the serial number. There are guidelines though. Delta only began keeping records of serial numbers after 1941. This makes it difficult if you have a machine dating prior to that. The serial number tags basically came in two flavors.

The earlier tags measured approximately 1/2' X 3' with rivet holes approximately 2 3/4' on center. To the best of my knowledge these were only used during the late 30's to the early 40's.

Older Delta Serial Number Tag

Older Delta Serial Number Tag


Later tags, after 1941 during the Rockwell era, measure 1' X 4' with rivet holes approximately 3 3/4' on center.

Newer Delta Serial Number Tag

Newer Delta Serial Number Tag


I mention the rivet holes because some machines, for whatever reason, may have had their serial number tags stripped from them making a positive vintage harder. You can however locate these holes and a ghost image of the tag and narrow down the machine's vintage. Where tags were located on individual machines would take a paper unto itself. I should also note, tag locations on the same machines weren't always located in the same spot. For instance, I've seen tags on the back of a Unisaw cabinet as well as the front.

It's not been substantiated fully but all evidence points to a fact that Delta did not tag machines from 1941 to 1943. Whatever the reason I'm not sure. If you have a machine from this era and it has a confirmed serial number I would like to hear from you. Please read the rest of this article though before positively determining your machine's vintage. It's also come to light, from various discussions on the OWWM discussion forum, that Delta used some serial numbers during the same period that don't quite jive with what's known by me. For instance, some five digit serial numbers on 1' by 4' tags don't compute with my list or Delta's. If ever this mystery is solved this write up will be amended.

About This Serial Number List:

I received this list from a fellow OWWM member. Someone had given it to him at his local Delta service center with no explanation or additional information. For the most part I have found it to be valid but have run into a couple of instances where it has not been 100% correct. Therefore, take it for what it is, do not expect it to be the 'last word' and always call Delta to confirm any dates that might be suspect. Delta can also give you the month the machine was manufactured. This is something you won't get from the list below. I should note here, Delta isn't always right either, especially if they are looking at the same source material as you have here before you.

The serial number list is broken down into three parts. Machines built in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Bellefountaine, Ohio had an all-number code. According to the list machines were built in Bellefountaine all the way up to 1976. Machines built in Tupelo, Mississippi had an alphanumeric code.

The serial number list starts with 1941. These machines would have been built in Milwaukee, Wisconsin up to 1952.

The following is based on this original document.

Straight Numerical Series used by Milwaukee-Crescent

YearFrom-To
194113-0000-15-0000
194216-0000-21-6500
194321-6501-26-6900
194426-6901-33-6900
194533-6901-40-6600
194640-6601-49-5000
194749-5001-60-6000
194860-6001-74-6000
194974-6001-82-5500
195082-5501-91-5950
195191-5951-100-7044
1952100-7045-105-4004

The Bellefountaine Years:

YearFromTo
1953105-4005-110-9975
1954110-9976-113-9613
1955113-9614-116-5949
1956116-5950-119-2146
1957119-2147-122-5236
1958122-5237-123-5059
1959123-5060-125-9707
1960125-9708-127-9999
1961128-0000-130-2719
1962130-2720-132-5000
1963132-5001-133-9999
1964134-0000-137-0050
1965137-0064-139-4000
1966139-4001-142-1689
1967142-1690-145-4999
1968145-5000-147-2525
1969147-2595-149-8401
1970149-8402-151-8000
1971151-8001-153-2122
1972153-2123-155-4449
1973155-4450-158-4000
1974158-4001-162-9999
1975163-0000-165-9753
1976165-9754-170-3633
1977170-3634-173-5804
1978173-5805-176-4910
1979176-4911-178-8779
1980178-8780-180-7331
1981180-7331-181-7764
1982181-7765-182-1042

Alpha-Numeric Series Used By Tupelo Division:

YearFromTo
1951AA-100-AB-7478
1952AA-7480-AJ-2774
1953AJ-2775-AX-9470
1954AX-9471-BE-4906
1955BE-4907-BL-9999
1956BM-100-BO-9822
1957BO-9823-BU-8750
1958BU-8751-CC-6620
1959CC-6621-CK-4072
1960CK-4073-CO-9632
1961CO-9066-CU-4299
1962CU-4300-CK-9999
1963CY-0001-DB-5000
1964DB-5001-DG-1009
1965DG-1010-DK-5917
1966DK-5918-DO-4783
1967DO-4784-DS-9452
1968DS-9453-EF-9399
1969EG-100-EI-208
1970EI-209-EP-5295
1971EP-5400-EW-236
1972EW-237-FI-311
1973FI-312-GA-782
1974GA-783-GZ-2477
1975GZ-2478-HR-6058
1976HR-3059-IQ-9999
1977IR-0001-JW-9999
1978JX-100-KP-9725
1978LW-103-LW-9999
1979KP-9726-LD-5594
1979LV-100-LV-9999
1979LX-100-LX-9999
1979LY-100-MB-5699
1980LD-5595-LH-9326
1981LH-9327-LN-9999
1982LO-100-LO-9999
1982MB-5700-MC-7110

Letter prefixes: LP, LQ, LR, LS, LT, and LU were not used.

Letter prefixes: MJ, MK, ML, MM, MN, MO, MP, NA, and NB range in years 1979 through 1982, but we do not have information to tie these to a year of manufacture. Delta may still have this information.

When in doubt you should always try and verify the vintage of your machine with any subtle attributes of the manufacturing period. For instance, a Unisaw with a cast iron base pigeonholes that saw for a certain time period. Raised sheet metal rays on the 14” bandsaw make it the earliest of vintages. As this project goes on it's hoped that all of these changes will be brought to light and put in written form. In the mean time feel free to ping me on the back channel with suggestions or questions. Most of what I find interesting comes from these requests.

If you do not have a serial number all is not lost. It's possible to get within a decade of your machine's vintage from a description or photo. Subtle changes can narrow the focus greatly to within a couple or few years. Some ways to vintage without serial numbers are:

Decals and Tags:

This will be written up for a later article as it requires way more time than I care to spend on it at this moment.

Using Catalogs To Vintage A Machine:

This can work fine for dating a machine but comes with certain pitfalls. I do not want to leave the impression that the catalogs lie but we can say they don't always tell the truth. Where the catalogs work best is in establishing when a particular machine came onto the market. The artwork used for these was fresh. Remember this fact. What happens next is, the same artwork would be used over and over for a number of years to the point where subtle changes would not be reflected in later catalogs. An example of this can be found with the Unisaw. The 1940 catalog shows the Unisaw with a flat non-louvered dust door. This same dust door is shown in the catalogs up into the late 40's indicating that this was the dust door vintage to those saws. However, there is a picture of a Unisaw in a 1946 issue of the Deltagram that clearly shows a louvered dust door. My conclusion is, the dust door was changed *somewhere* in this time period, the change, being an *upgrade* of sorts, wasn't considered significant enough to warrant new art work. The catalogs have been good at documenting changes when a machined was 'lessened'. For instance, changing from the cast iron to sheet metal base on the Unisaw.

So, how do we use catalogs to vintage a machine? As previously mentioned, establishing a release date for a new machine. From there I use them to SWAG a date for subtle changes. This creates a date range but not a positive single date or year for a machine. Sometimes this is all you can ask for. Be happy. When I began my quest to date my Unisaw I was spread over three decades based on catalog artwork and what Delta told me over the phone.

Milwaukee/Pittsburgh:

Any tag with a Milwaukee address indicates a machine made prior to, and including, 1952. Any machine wearing a tag with a Pittsburgh address indicates a machine built after 1953. Short and sweet? Not really. There was a recent instance where a machine tagged Delta/Milwaukee was found to have a serial number indicating a 1953 born on date. I attribute this to Rockwell having left over tags and depleting that inventory before digging into the Pittsburgh tags. As with the catalog art work, they were frugal. I should note, the exact switch over in 1952 is not known by me.

Stands and Motors:

Stands and motors should never be used to establish vintage. Machines were available for sale without either and in some instance the stand or motor true to the manufacturer could have been added later. This is not to say that the stand and motor on your machine should never be considered as vintage to the machine, just that it shouldn't be your only piece of evidence. Use them only to firm up what you know.

The Peace Sign (Sign of the Devil):

In 1973 Rockwell Manufacturing was absorbed into Rockwell International. These machines are tagged with the easily identifiable R.I. 'Peace Sign'. Early machines of this era are fine and dandy. Later R.I. went on a cost savings spree and many machines suffered. I typically look at these with some caution and look for dates closer to the early 70's. I would consider a later machine if someone I knew and trusted was selling it.

Part Numbers:

Delta typically cast the parts numbers onto the individual parts. In earlier machines this shows up as an alphanumeric code like, DP-220, or, LTA-325. This parts code pointed the part specifically to a particular machine. After the absorption by Rockwell International this casting code changed to some insidiously stupid international multi-numeral code with no rhyme or reason. Well, I shouldn't say no rhyme or reason, just none that jumped out like the old code. With the old code you could immediately recognize an orphan part sitting on a shelf and code it back to a machine. Something impossible to do with number codes longer than an International phone number. You may find some of these multi-numeric code numbers on machines of an earlier vintage. This usually indicates a replacement part from the later era. You might also note a difference in paint between these parts and the rest of the machine in a slightly different color or sheen. Take this evidence for what it is, a part replacement and nothing more.

Got A Receipt?:

If you have the original receipt please step to the front of the class. This is like having all the tags on your machine in mint condition. This is like finding a vintage machine still in its original cosmolene.

So there you have it. Play around with the above and feel free to ping me if something isn't explained right or you've found inaccuracies.

Special thanks to Jeff Traeger, John Orvis, Dave Potts, T. R. Smith and other OWWM forum members for supplying graphics and information for this series.

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