The Delta Vintage Project - Part One: Serial Numbers

Modified on 2023/01/30 15:46 by Steve Balaz — Categorized as: Manufacturer Information

by Keith Bohn plus contributions and edits from the community

Introduction

Note: if you're looking for serial numbers from a 20" Bandsaw or other machine made by / with Crescent, look here (e.g. "1234-A" and other formats not shown here): http://wiki.vintagemachinery.org/CrescentSerialNumbers.ashx

If you are of the type who easily follows shamans or gets fooled into get rich schemes you are the one I'm looking for. It's hoped, by me, that by the end of this introductory article you will be hunting down the true meaning of Delta and becoming obsessed with *Born On Dates* and *vintaging* Delta on the fly. If you are the strong type, not easily duped, please move along.

This write up will act as the jumping off point for anyone wanting to vintage an old Delta machine or for someone wanting to submit content on a machine of a certain vintage. It contains the most rudimentary data required to start one's career dating Delta. Please read it carefully as there are subtle nuances and while trying to vintage an old machine isn't rocket science it does require a certain bit of savvy. At the very least you will be able to establish date ranges based on what you read here.

The easiest way to vintage a Delta machine is of course with the serial number. There are guidelines though. Delta began assigning serial numbers in 1941. If your machine lacks a serial number plate or holes to mount one then it is from early 1941 or before.

We have divided the serial number plates used by Delta into three styles, as detailed below.

Style 1 plates were made of aluminum and measured 1/2" X 3" with rivet holes approximately 2 3/4" on center. This style was used beginning circa 1939-1940 to sometime in 1942 (probably early 1942), and then again from sometime in 1944 to late 1947.
Older Delta Serial Number Plate

Older Delta Serial Number Plate


Style 2 plates are from the World War II era, and are made from one of three materials: brass, steel or oilboard. Style 2A plates were made of brass plate and are from late 1941 or early '42. They are very rarely seen.
Delta Brass Wartime Plate

Delta Brass Wartime Plate

We have seen two other examples of a brass plate, one of which has red-painted background and the other has traces of red paint remaining. It is likely that the plate shown above originally had a red background.

Style 2B plates were made of steel, appeared in 1942, and are quite rare.
Delta Steel Serial Number Plate

Delta Steel Serial Number Plate


Style 2C plates were made of "oilboard" (dense coated cardboard) and measured 3/4" x 3" with rivet holes spaced the same as the first style plates. They were used between early 1942 to sometime in 1944. They are fairly common but are somewhat fragile and are often missing or in poor condition.
Delta Oilboard Serial Number Plate

Delta Oilboard Serial Number Plate


Style 3 plates were introduced in late 1947. They are made of aluminum and measure 1" x 4" with rivet holes approximately 3-3/4" on center.
Newer Delta Serial Number Plate

Newer Delta Serial Number Plate


This aluminum serial number plate is from a 1947 Unisaw, and is attached with screws.
1947 Delta Unisaw Serial Number Plate

1947 Delta Unisaw Serial Number Plate


Here is a plate from a 1980 Rockwell Model 6 Jointer
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Some machines, for whatever reason, may have had their serial number plates removed or torn off, making a positive vintage identification more difficult. You can however locate the rivet or screw holes in the machine and perhaps a ghost image of the plate, and use the distance between the holes to narrow down the machine's vintage: 2 3/4" means that the missing plate was Style 1 or 2, and 3 3/4" means a Style 3 plate. Where plates were located on individual machines would take a paper unto itself. I should also note, plate locations on the same machines weren't always located in the same spot. For instance, I've seen plates on the back of a Unisaw cabinet as well as the front. Keep in mind that machines made prior to 1941 did not have serial number plates at all.

Please read the rest of this article though before positively determining your machine's vintage. It's also come to light, from various discussions on the OWWM discussion forum, that Delta used some serial numbers during the same period that don't quite jive with what's known by me. For instance, some five digit serial numbers on 1x4 plates don't compute with my list or Delta's. If ever this mystery is solved this write up will be amended.

Delta's Serial Number List:

I received this list from a fellow OWWM member. Someone had given it to him at his local Delta service center with no explanation or additional information. For the most part I have found it to be valid but have run into a couple of instances where it has not been 100% correct. Therefore, take it for what it is, do not expect it to be the 'last word'. If you called them, Delta used to be able to give you the month the machine was manufactured. This is something you won't get from the list below, and now that Delta has disappeared from these shores, that detailed information has been lost.

The serial number list is broken down into three parts. Machines built in Milwaukee, Wisconsin and Bellefountaine, Ohio had an all-number code. According to the list machines were built in Bellefountaine all the way up to 1976. Machines built in Tupelo, Mississippi had an alphanumeric code.

The serial number list starts with 1941. These machines would have been built in Milwaukee, Wisconsin up to 1952.

The following is based on this original document.

Straight Numerical Series used by Milwaukee-Crescent

The strange jump from 15-0000 to 16-0000 is in the original. If your serial number lies between these two values then all we can say is that your saw dates from 1941 or '42. The brass serial number tag, above, shows a 15-xxxx serial number.

YearFrom-To
194113-0000-15-0000
194216-0000-21-6500
194321-6501-26-6900
194426-6901-33-6900
194533-6901-40-6600
194640-6601-49-5000
194749-5001-60-6000
194860-6001-74-6000
194974-6001-82-5500
195082-5501-91-5950
195191-5951-100-7044
1952100-7045-105-4004



The Bellefountaine Years:

YearFromTo
1953105-4005-110-9975
1954110-9976-113-9613
1955113-9614-116-5949
1956116-5950-119-2146
1957119-2147-122-5236
1958122-5237-123-5059
1959123-5060-125-9707
1960125-9708-127-9999
1961128-0000-130-2719
1962130-2720-132-5000
1963132-5001-133-9999
1964134-0000-137-0050
1965137-0064-139-4000
1966139-4001-142-1689
1967142-1690-145-4999
1968145-5000-147-2525
1969147-2595-149-8401
1970149-8402-151-8000
1971151-8001-153-2122
1972153-2123-155-4449
1973155-4450-158-4000
1974158-4001-162-9999
1975163-0000-165-9753
1976165-9754-170-3633
1977170-3634-173-5804
1978173-5805-176-4910
1979176-4911-178-8779
1980178-8780-180-7331
1981180-7331-181-7764
1982181-7765-182-1042

Alpha-Numeric Series Used By Tupelo Division:

YearFromTo
1951AA-100-AB-7478
1952AA-7480-AJ-2774
1953AJ-2775-AX-9470
1954AX-9471-BE-4906
1955BE-4907-BL-9999
1956BM-100-BO-9822
1957BO-9823-BU-8750
1958BU-8751-CC-6620
1959CC-6621-CK-4072
1960CK-4073-CO-9632
1961CO-9066-CU-4299
1962CU-4300-CX-9999
1963CY-0001-DB-5000
1964DB-5001-DG-1009
1965DG-1010-DK-5917
1966DK-5918-DO-4783
1967DO-4784-DS-9452
1968DS-9453-EF-9399
1969EG-100-EI-208
1970EI-209-EP-5295
1971EP-5400-EW-236
1972EW-237-FI-311
1973FI-312-GA-782
1974GA-783-GZ-2477
1975GZ-2478-HR-6058
1976HR-3059-IQ-9999
1977IR-0001-JW-9999
1978JX-100-KP-9725
1978LW-103-LW-9999
1979KP-9726-LD-5594
1979LV-100-LV-9999
1979LX-100-LX-9999
1979LY-100-MB-5699
1980LD-5595-LH-9326
1981LH-9327-LN-9999
1982LO-100-LO-9999
1982MB-5700-MC-7110

Letter prefixes: LP, LQ, LR, LS, LT, and LU were not used.

Letter prefixes: MJ, MK, ML, MM, MN, MO, MP, NA, and NB range in years 1979 through 1982, but we do not have information to tie these to a year of manufacture. Delta may still have this information.

Later date-coded serial numbers

According to Delta, they changed to eight digit serial numbers beginning July 30, 1982 (March 1984 in Canada and Brazil). The first three of these digits were a date code, the remaining 5 made up the individual serial number for the machine. We have seen such a serial number beginning "81J", meaning July 1981, a year before Delta's claimed starting date for this serial-number format. The serial / model plate pictured above starts with "80I" or June, 1980.

Example: 83B01234

The date code consisted of the two-digit fiscal year of production followed by a letter which designated the month of production according to the following code:

A = OctoberG = April
B = NovemberH = May
C = DecemberI = June
D = JanuaryJ = July
E = FebruaryK = August
F = MarchL = September

This sequence reflected Rockwell's fiscal year of October through September. In the example, the date code (83B) indicated a machine built in November, 1982 which would have been in Rockwell's 1983 fiscal year.

Dated coded serial numbers are covered in this original document.

On April 12, 1984, Pentair purchased the Rockwell machinery line. Sometime shortly thereafter the date-coding system changed to calendar year instead of Rockwell's fiscal year. The letter codes changed to A (January) through L (December).

When in doubt you should always try and verify the vintage of your machine with any subtle attributes of the manufacturing period. For instance, a Unisaw with a cast iron base pigeonholes that saw for a certain time period. Raised sheet metal rays on the 14” bandsaw make it the earliest of vintages. As this project goes on it's hoped that all of these changes will be brought to light and put in written form. In the mean time feel free to email me with suggestions or questions. Most of what I find interesting comes from these requests.

If you do not have a serial number all is not lost. It's possible to get within a decade of your machine's vintage from a description or photo. Subtle changes can narrow the focus greatly to within a couple or few years. Some ways to vintage without serial numbers are:

Decals and Plates:

This will be written up for a later article as it requires way more time than I care to spend on it at this moment.

Using Catalogs To Vintage A Machine:

This can work fine for dating a machine but comes with certain pitfalls. I do not want to leave the impression that the catalogs lie but we can say they don't always tell the truth. Where the catalogs work best is in establishing when a particular machine came onto the market. The artwork used for these was fresh. Remember this fact. What happens next is, the same artwork would be used over and over for a number of years to the point where subtle changes would not be reflected in later catalogs. An example of this can be found with the Unisaw. The 1940 catalog shows the Unisaw with a flat non-louvered dust door. This same dust door is shown in the catalogs up into the late 40's indicating that this was the dust door vintage to those saws. However, there is a picture of a Unisaw in a 1946 issue of the Deltagram that clearly shows a louvered dust door. My conclusion is, the dust door was changed *somewhere* in this time period, the change, being an *upgrade* of sorts, wasn't considered significant enough to warrant new art work. The catalogs have been good at documenting changes when a machined was 'lessened'. For instance, changing from the cast iron to sheet metal base on the Unisaw.

So, how do we use catalogs to vintage a machine? As previously mentioned, establishing a release date for a new machine. From there I use them to SWAG a date for subtle changes. This creates a date range but not a positive single date or year for a machine. Sometimes this is all you can ask for. Be happy. When I began my quest to date my Unisaw I was spread over three decades based on catalog artwork and what Delta told me over the phone.

Milwaukee/Pittsburgh:

Any plate with a Milwaukee address indicates a machine made prior to, and including, 1952. Any machine wearing a plate with a Pittsburgh address indicates a machine built after 1953. Short and sweet? Not really. There was a recent instance where a machine tagged Delta/Milwaukee was found to have a serial number indicating a 1953 born on date. I attribute this to Rockwell having left over tags and depleting that inventory before digging into the Pittsburgh plates. As with the catalog art work, they were frugal. I should note, the exact switch over in 1952 is not known by me.

Stands and Motors:

Stands and motors should never be used to establish vintage. Machines were available for sale without either and in some instance the stand or motor true to the manufacturer could have been added later. This is not to say that the stand and motor on your machine should never be considered as vintage to the machine, just that it shouldn't be your only piece of evidence. Use them only to firm up what you know.

The Peace Sign (Sign of the Devil):

In 1973 Rockwell Manufacturing was absorbed into Rockwell International. These machines are tagged with the easily identifiable R.I. 'Peace Sign'. Early machines of this era are fine and dandy. Later R.I. went on a cost savings spree and many machines suffered. I typically look at these with some caution and look for dates closer to the early 70's. I would consider a later machine if someone I knew and trusted was selling it.

Part Numbers:

Delta typically cast the parts numbers onto the individual parts. In earlier machines this shows up as an alphanumeric code like, DP-220, or, LTA-325. This parts code pointed the part specifically to a particular machine. After the absorption by Rockwell International this casting code changed to some insidiously stupid international multi-numeral code with no rhyme or reason. Well, I shouldn't say no rhyme or reason, just none that jumped out like the old code. With the old code you could immediately recognize an orphan part sitting on a shelf and code it back to a machine. Something impossible to do with number codes longer than an International phone number. You may find some of these multi-numeric code numbers on machines of an earlier vintage. This usually indicates a replacement part from the later era. You might also note a difference in paint between these parts and the rest of the machine in a slightly different color or sheen. Take this evidence for what it is, a part replacement and nothing more.

Got A Receipt?:

If you have the original receipt please step to the front of the class. This is like having all the tags on your machine in mint condition. This is like finding a vintage machine still in its original cosmolene.

So there you have it. Play around with the above and feel free to ping me if something isn't explained right or you've found inaccuracies.

Special thanks to Jeff Traeger, John Orvis, Dave Potts, T. R. Smith and other OWWM forum members for supplying graphics and information for this series.